Screwdriver_1 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Greetings We have recently been issued a speeding citation (travelling at a speed of 83mph on a motorway), which we believe to be unjustified. I was occupying the front seat as a passenger while my boyfriend was driving. The vehicle consistently maintains a speed of 70mph while using adaptive cruise control on the highway. I have successfully retrieved and captured a snapshot of the driving history from the Kia Connect app, providing concrete evidence to support my claim. Has anybody successfully contested a citation by using Kia Connect as supporting evidence? One possible alternative is to enrol in a speed awareness course, which would result in the offence being dismissed. However, this choice may evoke a strong sense of moral discomfort. However, it might be described as a scenario when there is a clear division between two opposing groups. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rashman4u Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 I am not a lawyer. However, I believe it would be challenging for you to override the Kia Connect data in order to replace a camera picture from a properly functioning and calibrated speed camera. Attempting to do so would require forfeiting the Speed Awareness option, which would not be available to you in the future if you were unsuccessful in your attempt. You may also be required to bear the cost of hiring expert witnesses to substantiate your claim. However, if you decide to do it, I wish you the best of luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwdriver_1 Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 I am afraid that you are accurate. It is somewhat peculiar considering we were undoubtedly in a queue of vehicles all moving at a speed of seventy. Tomorrow, we will seek legal counsel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSM10000 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Furthermore, the data indicates a speed of 71mph, which exceeds the legally permitted limit. It would have been more desirable if the speed had been 70mph or lower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Screwdriver_1 Posted June 6 Author Share Posted June 6 I concur. I hypothesise that the ACC (Adaptive Cruise Control) maintains a speed range of 69 to 71, but may sometimes be affected by sudden changes in the road surface, such as dips. However, a difference of 1 mile per hour compared to a speed of 70 miles per hour is likely to fall within the range of acceptable tolerance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTrevor Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 It is unfortunate that you do not own any dash camera video that includes GPS speed data. I understand that discussing this after the fact is purely speculative and does not provide any assistance in your current predicament. However, it is a scenario where it may have potentially shown your innocence. I am optimistic that the evidence you possess will be examined in a positive light, while I am concerned that it may not be the outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex1978 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Request to see the photographic proof. A friend of mine was caught for driving at a speed of 38 mph in a 30 mph zone. Despite his belief that he was not speeding, he requested to see the proof. He obtained two photographs that depicted the distance travelled and the corresponding speed required to cover that distance. Based on the measures he calculated, he determined that he was travelling at a speed of 27 mph, and he questioned the validity of the proof. After being reviewed by a human, they concurred and dismissed the allegation. It is always beneficial to inquire. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ortsmatt Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Refusing to request proof may result in the discontinuation of the awareness course, and instead, a penalty of three points may be imposed or the matter may be taken to court. This is because the authorities may interpret your decision as an indication of your belief in your innocence and your intention to contest the charges. After extensively perusing several online forums dedicated to speeding tickets, it has become apparent that attorneys advise against requesting proof from law enforcement authorities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyskin Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Have they provided you with photographic proof of your car, including its registration number, being recorded exceeding the speed limit? Alternatively, have you received a Section 172 (2) RTA 1988 notice as the registered owner, asking for the identity and address of the driver? If you get a notice on the 172, it is imperative that you respond within 28 days to avoid incurring an additional offence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex1978 Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 By the way, if you want to attend a speed awareness course, you are still required to inform your insurance carrier. If you fail to fulfil the requirements and then file a claim, there is a possibility that they may refuse it and terminate the policy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guyskin Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 Valid observation 👍. Upon reviewing an outdated renewal notification, I have seen that it requests information about convictions or pending prosecutions. Therefore, it may be inferred that a speed awareness course serves as a means of resolving a pending speeding charge without the need for a court appearance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevorseaf Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 The guidance (from several sources) varies significantly. (Emphasising) "There is no legal obligation to inform your insurance provider about your participation in a speed awareness course, unless they explicitly request this information."If they do, it is imperative that you maintain honesty, since failure to do so may render your auto insurance void. The website of my insurance company, LV, states: "It is unnecessary to inform LV that you will be participating in a speed awareness course, or that you have already completed one." Please provide information on any points on your driving licence resulting from a traffic conviction or fixed penalty notice.It is advisable to discreetly examine the policy of your insurance provider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howard_silver Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 The advice (from several sources) differs greatly. (Highlighting) "Unless explicitly requested, there is no legal requirement to notify your insurance provider about your enrollment in a speed awareness course."If they do, it is crucial that you maintain honesty, since failing to do so might result in your vehicle insurance being invalid. The official website of my insurance provider, LV, declares: "There is no need to notify LV that you will be attending a speed awareness course or that you have already finished one." Please submit details about any demerit points on your driving licence as a consequence of a traffic conviction or fixed penalty notice.It is recommended to quietly scrutinise the policies of your insurance provider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyTom Posted June 6 Share Posted June 6 What was the method of recording used? Is the camera mounted on a gantry or is it a portable gun? The only feasible method I can think of to use Kia data is by manually operating the gadget and challenging its calibration. (If that is still a current practice) However, pursuing legal action would include appearing in court, where a conviction might result in a more substantial monetary penalty and accumulation of demerit points. Seeking legal counsel might be advisable, since they can assess your financial capacity. Considering the potential expenses associated with counsel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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